Comments on: Discussion of race in America is black and white — even among journalists http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/2009/01/14/discussion-of-race-in-america-is-black-and-white-even-among-journalists/ GIL ASAKAWA'S JAPANESE AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE ON POP CULTURE, MEDIA & POLITICS Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:01:07 +0000 hourly 1 By: cognitis http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/2009/01/14/discussion-of-race-in-america-is-black-and-white-even-among-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-175926 cognitis Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:49:45 +0000 http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/?p=995#comment-175926 "Sung": You clearly didn't peruse my argument; and you extracted one word "slave" and babbled about citizenship. In 1848, US convinced Mexico by arms to cede California, and US incorporated California next year in 1849 as a Free State; as Mexico had prohibited slavery, California has never permitted slavery throughout its history; so Chinese never suffered slave status in the state denoted by you unintelligibly as "gold mountain rush [sic]" (sounds like an "energy drink"). Your babbling about citizenship doesn't pertain at all to slavery; since you babble with examples and demonstrate no ability to reason with principles, I'll provide an example: a German visiting friends in California in 1850, ineligible for citizenship, could neither be detained and compelled to work by his friends nor have his children captured and sold at a slave auction. In any case, you provulgate your "disagreement" with me having clearly not perused my argument; in the future, should you not voluntarily peruse my arguments, just shut up and don't respond. “Sung”:

You clearly didn’t peruse my argument; and you extracted one word “slave” and babbled about citizenship. In 1848, US convinced Mexico by arms to cede California, and US incorporated California next year in 1849 as a Free State; as Mexico had prohibited slavery, California has never permitted slavery throughout its history; so Chinese never suffered slave status in the state denoted by you unintelligibly as “gold mountain rush [sic]” (sounds like an “energy drink”). Your babbling about citizenship doesn’t pertain at all to slavery; since you babble with examples and demonstrate no ability to reason with principles, I’ll provide an example: a German visiting friends in California in 1850, ineligible for citizenship, could neither be detained and compelled to work by his friends nor have his children captured and sold at a slave auction. In any case, you provulgate your “disagreement” with me having clearly not perused my argument; in the future, should you not voluntarily peruse my arguments, just shut up and don’t respond.

]]> By: Eric Sung http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/2009/01/14/discussion-of-race-in-america-is-black-and-white-even-among-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-175899 Eric Sung Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:46:15 +0000 http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/?p=995#comment-175899 wow..wait..Chinese immigrant workers came over during the gold mountain rush basically came over as slaves..Asians weren't given the right to become citizens until the Civil Rights movement..wow..i absolutely disagree w/ the comment above.. wow..wait..Chinese immigrant workers came over during the gold mountain rush basically came over as slaves..Asians weren’t given the right to become citizens until the Civil Rights movement..wow..i absolutely disagree w/ the comment above..

]]> By: cognitis http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/2009/01/14/discussion-of-race-in-america-is-black-and-white-even-among-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-175593 cognitis Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:12:17 +0000 http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/?p=995#comment-175593 Thanks for expressing a Japanese-American's opinion. US institutions define Japanese, Chinese, or Koreans as ethnic minorities just as Africans; so all above thus discriminated suffer injuries similarly. Institutions use, however, Africans very differently from other minorities particularly in the Media. Of all minorities, only Africans came and persisted long as slaves unprotected not only by US but also by foreign governments; so today, Celts or Germans or Jews et alii perceive Africans to be absolutely defenseless and powerless; thus, for the majority Africans serve, unlike other minorities, as a metaphor and meter for US tolerance and opportunity. Here's an example: should a Japanese or Chinese have been elected, the majority would not have perceived tolerance but instead many would have perceived a menace or "the Japs are taking over"; most don't remember that in 1910 Japanese rights here were protected largely not by the USCON but instead by Japan-US treaty. The US President represents US in foreign affairs but also is a kind of salesman or symbol; institutions clearly want to portray US as a tolerant country in contrast to US under Bush, and Obama without a doubt portrays both tolerance and change. Thanks for expressing a Japanese-American’s opinion. US institutions define Japanese, Chinese, or Koreans as ethnic minorities just as Africans; so all above thus discriminated suffer injuries similarly. Institutions use, however, Africans very differently from other minorities particularly in the Media. Of all minorities, only Africans came and persisted long as slaves unprotected not only by US but also by foreign governments; so today, Celts or Germans or Jews et alii perceive Africans to be absolutely defenseless and powerless; thus, for the majority Africans serve, unlike other minorities, as a metaphor and meter for US tolerance and opportunity. Here’s an example: should a Japanese or Chinese have been elected, the majority would not have perceived tolerance but instead many would have perceived a menace or “the Japs are taking over”; most don’t remember that in 1910 Japanese rights here were protected largely not by the USCON but instead by Japan-US treaty. The US President represents US in foreign affairs but also is a kind of salesman or symbol; institutions clearly want to portray US as a tolerant country in contrast to US under Bush, and Obama without a doubt portrays both tolerance and change.

]]> By: Leland http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/2009/01/14/discussion-of-race-in-america-is-black-and-white-even-among-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-173252 Leland Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:57:56 +0000 http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/?p=995#comment-173252 I couldn't agree more. The NYT piece wasn't much in the way of news, and Kurtz ran with it without thinking, which is unfortunately a casualty of the 24-hour-a-day non-news cycle and Kurtz stretching himself in too many media. We used to have editors. Sigh. I couldn’t agree more. The NYT piece wasn’t much in the way of news, and Kurtz ran with it without thinking, which is unfortunately a casualty of the 24-hour-a-day non-news cycle and Kurtz stretching himself in too many media. We used to have editors. Sigh.

]]> By: Eric Sung http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/2009/01/14/discussion-of-race-in-america-is-black-and-white-even-among-journalists/comment-page-1/#comment-173228 Eric Sung Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:56:56 +0000 http://www.nikkeiview.com/blog/?p=995#comment-173228 This was an issue back during President Clinton's dialogue on race and his "One America" advisory board. Activist Angela Oh and Historian John Hope Franklin had a disagreement over the idea of traditional black v white or a new paradigm that involved Asians, Hispanics, etc. I was pretty incensed when I first read about this argument in the one of the papers back in 97-98. While I understand and appreciate John Hope Franklin's historical perspective, I completely agree with Angela Oh regarding the new paradigm. We absolutely can not move forward in race relations if we can not shift our thinking and embrace the new form of diversity, one that is multi-faceted and multi-colored. Frank Wu wrote an article for AsianWeek back in 1998 that explored Angela Oh and the initiative. http://asianweek.com/020598/coverstory.html It's sad to see that after 10 years, we still haven't really shifted the dynamics of the race conversation despite the hard works of people like Angela Oh. This was an issue back during President Clinton’s dialogue on race and his “One America” advisory board. Activist Angela Oh and Historian John Hope Franklin had a disagreement over the idea of traditional black v white or a new paradigm that involved Asians, Hispanics, etc. I was pretty incensed when I first read about this argument in the one of the papers back in 97-98. While I understand and appreciate John Hope Franklin’s historical perspective, I completely agree with Angela Oh regarding the new paradigm. We absolutely can not move forward in race relations if we can not shift our thinking and embrace the new form of diversity, one that is multi-faceted and multi-colored.

Frank Wu wrote an article for AsianWeek back in 1998 that explored Angela Oh and the initiative.
http://asianweek.com/020598/coverstory.html

It’s sad to see that after 10 years, we still haven’t really shifted the dynamics of the race conversation despite the hard works of people like Angela Oh.

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